Lackadaisical? pt 3
Posted on May 30, 2006 by G. Michael Reynolds
I've been reading through my copy of the Nei Jia List Archives and found this discussion. Since i apparently have a couple Chen readers and know very little about the style, perhaps you guys can tell me if they are discussing the same thing we are and tell me what "Chan Ssu Jin" is?
> Thank you for the offer, but I currently have more tapes of these two > than I can view. Chen Zheng Lei is number #2 in the Chen lineup despite > the official Chinese attempt to label him #1. Xiaowang is considered by > all as #1. I wonder why China is endorsing Chen Zhen Lei instead then. The Chen Village endorse him as well. Locally, Chen Xiao Wang is considered as inferior to Chen Zhen Lei, holding that Zhen Lei has the authentic one and Xiao Wang has the simplified one. The local National Wushu Association also endorses Zhen Lei rather than Xiao Wang. One notes that Xiao Wang is older by four years but that hardly has any criteria in considering who's the top man. > Zheng Lei has always displayed slightly more Chan Ssu Jing... I > personally like that, but the technical preference is for the one who > shows least. The Yang style of Yang LuChan was really meant to reflect > high-level Chen-style, in that the Chan Ssu Chin was undetectable. Of > course, the long term problem with promoting a form where the students > can't see the Chan Ssu Chin is that you lose most of the Chan Ssu Chin > (notice I said "most", not "all"). Very true, but than Chan Ssu Chin is not absent from the Yang form either, just not taught explicitly by lots of teachers. I learnt in the first lesson, you need to know it before you can do the form correctly with the continuity of chin and to exhibit 'elastic hardness'. I think you are correct about the extent form but then one must not forget that there are still masters that teach it in the old way. You will find that in places where Chen style is very common, Chan Ssu Chin is not always practiced correctly. In the old form of teaching, the understanding of chan ssu chin is one of the fundamentals that must be understood, many things have their origin in it. I'd like to get your opinion on Yang Shao Hou's form and that of his uncle Yang Pan Hou from which I trace my lineage. Best regards, Peter L.
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I believe they are basically talking about how CZL physically displays more chan su jing (aka silk reeling) in his execution of the form. I agree with this and have wrote about it often on my own blog.
However, also what’s interesting is that over time, the circles *should* get smaller, meaning the movement look less spiraly, or circular and almost more linear. This rationale is found in most camps and is often referred to as “frame”, either is be big frame (da jia), medium frame (zhong jia ???) or small frame (xiao jia). And by camps, I mean chen, yang, wu, etc.
Have my attempt to answer your question is what you’re looking for.
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ah ok. so does this account for the "lackadaisical" bit then? because he weiqi and yang jwingming look much mor eimpressive to me then the people who are widely acknowledged as the absolute best TJQ ers
haha! I thought the “L” word was just a made up word until I looked it up
I say, it’s really different strokes for different folks and the whole “many paths to the top of the mountain, but once at the top we see the same moon” mentality.
As for myself, I did yang, then switched to chen b/c I thought that was where it was at and now I’m back to yang. I guess that’s the whole, in the beginning a mountain is just a mountain, then it’s something special,then it’s just a mountain again